Bourland in North Texas and Indian Territory During the Civil War: Fort Cobb, Fort Arbuckle & the Wichita Mountains

                                                                                       by Patricia Adkins-Rochette

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  Tracking W.F. Guthrie's and James R. Carson's military service

Not to be confused with the other Wm. Franklin Guthrie of Williamson Co TX, who

enlisted in March 1862, joining Company A in Morganís Battalion, Parsonís 12th Brigade.

also tracking  James R. Carson's military service

Ref: Anne J. Bailey's Between the Enemy and Texas: Parson's Texas Cavalry in the Civil War

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CSR cards, Guthrie

 

1860) William F. Guthrie May 4 to Sep 7, 1860, Capt Ed. Burleson Tex Rangers, Co A

 

1) numbers only

William F. Guthrie 50435207, Co A, Morgan's Cav

William F. Guthrie 50435297

William F. Guthrie 50435413

William F. Guthrie 50435491

 

2) William F. "Matt" Guthrie, Mar 26 to Jun 30, 1862 in E.D. Vontress' Co; Enlisted Mar 26, 1862 Dallas TX for 1 yr by J.J. McAlister; Reenlisted for the War Jun 9, 1862, has rec'd $30.00 on this bounty.   Only card that your editor is sure belongs to W.F. "Matt" Guthrie (1846-1829) because of the

 

3) William F. Guthrie, Jun 30, 1862 to Aug 30, 1862, Last paid Jun 30, 1862, C.E. Carr; Present

 

4) W.F. Guthrie, Pvt Co A, Morgan's Cav, Aug 31 to Oct 31, 1863; Enlisted Mar 26, 1862 Dallas Tex by J.J. McAllister for 12 months; Last paid, Lt. J.W. Posey, Feb 28, 1863; Present, Detailed as Teamster.                                

.....from George Martin

William F. Guthrie, Residence was not listed;

Enlisted as a Private  "A" Co. TX 18th Cavalry

Note found in CSR files available to me

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William F. Guthrie, Regiment Name Morgan's Reg't Texas Cavalry

Side Confederate Company A

Soldier's Rank_In Private   Soldier's Rank_Out Private

 

Private W.F. Guthrie (his 1929 article) enlisted in Captain E. H. Vontress' Company Texas Cavalry, subsequently Company A of Morgan's Texas Cavalry, March 26, 1862 at Dallas, Texas, detailed as Teamster as shown on October 31, 1863 muster, no further records  .... (Note: by 1863 he was in Morgan's Co F).

 

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1914 record from War Dept, info for pension, Guthrie

 

War Dept, Wash D.C., Sep 15, 1914

Hon. John H. Stephens, House of Representatives

 

W. F. Guthrie served in Co A in Morganís Regt that became B.D. McKieís Squad of Co F. This Guthrie served in Co F with Lt. L. T. Wheeler, W.B. Howell, Walter Howell, John D. Templeton.  Last muster was Sept and Oct 1863.   ...... (Wheeler, McKie, and Templeton were from Navarro Co TX ... Interesting because the War Dept in Wash D. C. did not know that this Templeton was Guthrie's future father-in-law,).

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1915 personal reference for pension, Guthrie

 

Affidavit of Witness (of W.F. Guthrie's CSA service) 

          "We were boys together in Franklin Co Tenn, and his people and my people all moved from Tenn to Kaufman County Texas in 1854. We were going to school together when the war broke out ó he is two years older than I am, and he joined Company "A" Morganís Texas Cavalry Regiment and Parsonís Brigade in Oct 1861 and then in 1863, month of May, that I joined the same Company and we then served until we were mustered out of service in May 1865 near Calvert, Texas.

          He was a good faithful soldier all during this. I was with him and is a good deserving man. "

 

S. H. Johnson

Jan 21, 1915

John H. Cochran, County Judge

Nolan County, Texas

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James R. Carson's CSA service

 

 

James R. Carson's service in Company "I" of Carter's 21st TX Cavalry cards.

 

On Sep 17, 1863 the Union Army took over Pine Bluff, Jefferson Co AR, CSA attempted, but failed, to retake Pine Bluff on Oct 25, 1863.  ....   The following is from Bailey's Between the Enemy and Texas: Parson's Texas Cavalry in the Civil War, p158.

 

      " ... 'Sometimes after the battle of Pine Bluff, one company [Company I] of the 21st left camp and headed home when they learned that their families that Mexican and Indian raids along the Texas frontier.  When the commanding general [J.S. Marmaduke] asked Lt. [Wm. M.] Walton [Company B] to stop them.   Walton told him 'it is useless -- that I knew the men -- and they would continue until they [heard] contrary news to what they they had received.'  Further, Walton believed 'they would come back -- whenever they found their families in safety.'

          "Walton was correct.  Ordered to ordered to overtake and escort the defiant troops back to Arkansas, he finally caught with them several hundred miles from Camden.  The company captain, whom Walton did not name, politely refused to retrace his steps, but promised he would return and bring every man with him after he ascertained why local authorities could not handle problems along the Texas frontier.  True to his word, when Texans had discovered that they acted on exaggerated rumors, he entire command halted and returned to Arkansas.  Apparently no disciplinary action resulted from this desertion of en masse."

 

Editor's note:  Below is a paragraph from W.F. Guthrie's 1929 brochure.  Anne Bailey stated that of the men in Capt. J.B. Roche's Co "L" of Carter's 21st Regt were from Coryell and Lampasas counties.   She stated several times that men changed companies and regiments so many times that many of the soldiers identified their soldiers only by captains, and increasingly did not use the numerical designations. 

 

Lt. Carson was reared in the Southwest part of Lampasas county on a ranch.  He learned early to ride, trail, scout and fight Indians. The Governor told him to make the ride to Pine Bluff, Arkansas and make requisition to Col. [C.L.] Morgan for thirty men. The officers talked the matter over and decided to send him fifteen men, as they were expecting [Union] General [N.P.] Banks to make his march up Red River. These fifteen men and three pack-mules were placed in charge of Lt. Carson and he was ordered to make his way to Old Fort Chadbourne on Oak Creek, now in Coke county, and report for duty. We arrived there, and the first order was to arrange this squadron into a company. Carson lined the men up, read the order and told them they were to see some of the hardest service that they had ever experienced. That he would serve as lieutenant commander, but not as captain, as he had nothing to do with making up the company. A second lieutenant, a sergeant and a corporal were elected by the men and Carson appointed me as adjutant and general roust-about. So Carsonís Company B, Mounted Rangers came into existence.  Carson made a roll of the company and wrote a note to Adj-Gen. Culberson and asked further orders. As I was the lightest rider, Carson ordered me to deliver the roll to Culberson, who ordered Carson to Paint Rock [Concho County] and to establish quarters there.  Four or five days after our arrival there one Col. [J.] Burk arrived with a four-horse wagon, a cook and a half-breed Mexican scout. He issued the company repeating rifles and Colt 45 pistols. The scout was to work with us. We were then assigned to the northern district of the Red River division.

 

Editor's note:   The camp at Paint Rock, Concho Co TX was mentioned in Henry D. Williams' 1933 article.

         I am thrilled that I've proven almost every phrase of Guthrie's 1929 article.   And after I learned that Berry McGuire served only 30 hours in Bourland's Regt., it made sense that Lt. N.F. Carson did not know Berry's name when he wrote an account of the Oct 13, 1864 Elm Creek Raid.   That proves that shows his and other company were constantly changing. 

 

 

Wm. F. Guthrie

 

Wm F. Guthrie

May 4-Sep 7, 1860 Capt Ed. Burleson Tex Rangers, Co A

 

Wm F. Guthrie, CSA Morgan's Cav, Co A, numbers only

 

 

Wm F. Guthrie, Mar 26 to Jun 30, 1862 in E.D. Vontress' Co; Enlisted Mar 26, 1862 Dallas TX for 1 yr by J.J. McAlister; Reenlisted for the War Jun 9, 1862, has rec'd $30.00 on this bounty.

 

Wm F. Guthrie, Jun 30, 1862 to Aug 30, 1862, Last paid Jun 30, 1862, C.E. Carr; Present

W.F. Guthrie, Pvt Co A, Morgan's Cav, Aug 31 to Oct 31, 1863; Enlisted Mar 26, 1862 Dallas Tex by J.J. McAllister for 12 months; Last paid, Lt. J.W. Posey, Feb 28, 1863; Present, Detailed as Teamster.

 

 

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James R. Carson

James R. Carson Pvt, Company I, Carter's 21st Cavalry surrender card Jul 5, 1865 at Millican TX

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Patricia Adkins-Rochette        03/20/2013           prochette@Juno.com    

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